Bad public leadership requires public correction and rebuke. I hope this post is redemptive, not condemning. It’s a call to repentance. After you read it, check back regularly. I update it, as issues come up.
I first posted this exposé on April 12, 2024. I have updated it many times since then. Look for the word “update” in bold font.
This post is very long. Be sure to hold down the ctrl key and hit the f key. A search box should pop up. Type in the last name. In this way you can shorten your research time.
I have spent a long time wrestling with God about writing this post. But I’m of a certain age now and have enjoyed a long walk with him; I have permission from him to do this. “Permission”? No, I feel compelled by the Spirit. I must obey.
I mostly have in mind the leaders who belong to the Renewal Movements, to which I have belonged since 1973. These movements are particularly vulnerable to foolishness and self-deception and demonic deception.
From then until now, I have observed countless strange practices and theology. I have not shared my observations and critiques publicly at this website (or anywhere else publicly) until recently. This catch-all post should satisfy the prompting of God in my heart to do this, though this is not my main mission. As of right now, only teaching is.
I write as a sympathetic insider, not a hostile outsider.
I believe it is easier to write about people by name than to broadcast their names on video platforms like youtube or radio or television.
Final comments in the intro: I think the “heresy hunters” or “discernment ministers” perform a valuable service, as they work hard to view and clip out the videos. However, I don’t always agree with some of their conclusions or cessationism. Cessationism is an error of absence (no gifts or not enough gifts), rather than an error of excess (abuse of the gifts). Continuationists can fall into the trap of excess and abuse.
And I don’t like the hunters’ mocking tone and condescending sneers. And sometimes they misrepresent things.
These discernment ministers must also stop consigning people to hell. This is beyond their knowledge and jurisdiction because the out-of-bounds leaders have not completed their journey. They still have time to repent. We will all stand before God at final judgment, and neither the critics nor I can know what the final verdict will be for these leaders listed below (and many others not named).
I cannot recommend any one hunter, because individually each one has serious defects. But all in all, as a collective, they offer a useful service for their video clips.
In this post “leader” stands in for the five (or four) ministry gifts in Ephesians 4:11 and elders and overseers (and so on).
All translations come from the NIV, unless otherwise noted. All bold font has been added. If you would like to see other translations, please click on biblegateway.com.
Let’s begin.
Answering Common Excuses
The devoted followers of these leaders will post comments excusing the excesses and bad ministry practices, and defective Bible interpretations. Here are the most common excuses and my replies to them.
To shorten this post, on June 3, 2024, I have moved my replies to this one:
Don’t Make Excuses for Unsound Christian Leaders
But here are their excuses:
1. Don’t judge.
2. You are causing division.
3. Don’t touch the Lord’s anointed.
4. Wealthy leaders give away money and lend out their luxury jets for missions. It is a good thing that they are rich because the missions could not procure a jet or finances from any other place.
5. But I got healed at a Benny Hinn meeting. My friend got saved there.
6. But sometimes the prophet’s words come true.
7. You’re just jealous. You’re getting money from your website or youtube channel. You’re just like them!
8. Matthew 18:15-17 says to go first to the offending person, one on one. You’re not following Scripture.
9. They have spent over fifty years in ministry! How dare you criticize them!
10. What gives you the right to criticize major public ministries? You’re not famous. You have not risen to their mega-level.
11.. Those who point out ministers’ abuse are the accusers of the brothers and sisters. You are aligned with Satan.
12.. King David and Moses got restored. All church leaders today who fall can also be restored to ministry.
13. Don’t name names. Your brother is not your enemy.
Once again, to shorten this post, I have moved my replies to this one:
Don’t Make Excuses for Unsound Christian Leaders
Three Sources of Guidance
The leaders are confused because they do not understand the three sources that guide them. One is right, the other two are wrong.
1. Right: The Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 12:7-11)
2. Wrong: Their own mind and imagination (Jer. 23 and Ezek. 13)
3. Wrong: Lying or deceiving spirits (1 Kings 22; 2 Chron. 18)
See this post for more information and quoted Scripture:
When God places a ministry or leaders under judgment, they become vulnerable to lying spirits. The leaders who believe they are insightful and prophetic may actually be listening to these spirits or their own imagination.
Note that I did not say they are fully possessed and owned by evil spirits. But demons are influencing their minds. They speak numerous false prophecies and bad teachings and are arrogant and defiant about them. Arrogance and defiance opens them up to more judgment and therefore to even stronger demonic influence.
How Does New Testament Define Demonic Control?
How do I know that these leaders may now be influenced by a deceiving spirit? Satan is the father (= source) of lies (John 8:44). He twisted Scripture during the temptation of Jesus (Matthew 4 and Luke 4). Leaders who constantly twist Scripture are in danger of being influenced by lying spirits or are actually influenced by them. Jesus defeated Satan by interpreting Scripture correctly.
No, I’m not talking about sincere interpretations that may have to be adjusted with further study (I do this often enough!). I’m not talking about theological disagreements, say, between the details within one eschatological system and another. Those are secondary or tertiary doctrines.
Rather, the leaders twist Scripture and make it say things it does not really say, for self-interest, like learning how to teleport or becoming an independent youtube prophet without (known) church connections or a prophet assuming he is the main leader of a local church or how to enrich themselves if you give to their ministry.
Many times God warns against greed (see, e.g. Matt. 23:25; Mark 7:22; 2 Peter 2:3, 14).
Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.” (Luke 12:15, emphasis added)
In contrast, when they listen to the Holy Spirit, they will stay close to Scripture, which the Spirit inspired. They will closely follow the ministry of Jesus in the four Gospels and the apostolic community in Acts and the epistles. They did not do outlandish displays and shriek and freak and dance and prance and push people down and guarantee riches for anyone who gives 1000.00 drachmas or shekels to their ministry.
Instead, these current leaders’ arrogance leads them to deviate from the NT, so they teach all sorts of strange doctrines, do show-offy platform displays, and engage in self-serving fund-raising tactics. The leaders have no wholesome fear of God and his word.
CBU Spectrum
Now let me define a term.
CBU means that the leaders are still Christian But Unsound (or Unsafe or Unstable or Unreliable). More specifically, leaders are still Christians but have unsound ministry practices or theology or a defiant and arrogant public demeanor, often all of them combined. You never know which sermon you’ll get on a given Sunday. One sermon may be wonky, or maybe on another Sunday the sermon will be a standard Bible teaching. Inconsistent.
This term stands in between false teachers and false prophets who are outside of the faith and have lost contact with the head (Christ) on the one side. And on the other side, sound leaders do not have outlandish beliefs or practices but humbly carry out their commission from the Lord.
In short, CBUs stand somewhere on the spectrum between true teachers and prophets and leaders and false ones. To which side will the CBUs drift? That’s an open question.
Here’s a diagram to illustrate the spectrum:
Sound ?← CBUs →? False
Teachers _______________________,_________ Teachers
Prophets Prophets
Leaders Leaders
The arrows and question marks indicate which direction they may drift towards. The arrow pointing to the left means that the CBUs are humble enough to repent and be corrected and therefore move towards becoming sound teachers and prophets and leaders. The right-pointing arrow signifies that they may go in the opposite direction. They may be considered false by reasonable leaders in the Renewal Movements who still believe the gifts of the Spirit (1 Cor. 12:7-11 and Rom. 12:6-8) and ministry gifts (Eph. 4:11) are operational today.
(The people named below really don’t listen to cessationists, and I don’t blame them because cessationism itself is an error. Heresy hunters who are cessationists need to get their own doctrinal house in order, particularly if they are also Calvinists. The cessationist heresy hunters are as strident in their errors as the hyper-charismatics are in theirs.)
1. Gifts of the Spirit in Early Church Fathers
2. Healings and Deliverances in Early Church Fathers
3. Prophecies, Visions, and Hearing from God in Early Church Fathers
In any case, the outcome is an open question, depending on God’s grace and their repentance and humility to receive instruction and correction. Would they be willing to change their ministry style?
Would they even be willing to shut down their ministry, until they learn basic theology and the Bible? The spotlight will also have to shift from them and to the Lord and to a prayer team. No more platform superstars.
Again, open questions.
Hyper-Misinterpretations
The real problem with these leaders is that they take one theme of Scripture and exalt and obsess over it too much: hyper-prosperity, hyper-faith, hyper-grace, hyper-anointing, hyper-charismatics, hyper -submission, and hyper-sovereignty, to name only those.
Calvinists err in their description of God by exalting sovereignty over his other attributes and activities, and his gift of free will to humanity. God seems to override human free will and decree all sorts of evils that humans actually commit, without God decreeing the evil acts. But this post is not about Calvinists.
Look for the other “hypers” in certain leaders.
Solution: Every leader must to proclaim the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:27).
Be Balanced and Avoid Hyper-Teachings
Leaders and Their Ministries who Need to Repent
This assessment reflects practices before the date of the publication of this article. Also, only a small list of leaders can be included here. Many others need to repent.
Prophets
Though the list is long, only a representative sample can be named here. Youtube prophets are popping up everywhere.
Some prophets today appear to be under the influence of deceiving spirits or their own imaginations or a mixture; for sure they mix error and truth.
One prophet named Jeremiah Johnson, main leader and prophet of his church, who wrongly predicted a consecutive, back-to-back second term for Pres. Trump, said he lost $40k per month in revenue, even though he repented.
He lost that much? How much had he been raking in? So it seems the prophecy business is a cash cow for him and no doubt for others in their own prophetic ministries. Feeling pressured by money to produce a prophecy or more per week can lead to mistakes.
Robin D. Bullock, the lead pastor-prophet of his church, seems to have become unhinged recently. He may be now tormented by a evil spirit. He must humble himself and repent of his arrogance and defiance. He must live the crucified life (as we all should do). Pray for him.
Update In July 2024 I see that Bullock calls himself an apostle. An apostle and a prophet. He’s not an apostle. Here’s how I know:
Check Out What Two Genuine Apostles Did and How They Lived
Also pray for Chris Reed, former President and Executive Director of Morning Star Ministries. He has also spoken some strange prophecies. In one of his dreams or visions a few years back, an angel (allegedly) revealed to him that John the Revelator was still living in a cave in Turkey and will reappear one day to explain the book of the Revelation. Wrong. Reed got this dream or vision either from his own mind or an evil spirit. Probably a deceitful angel of light appeared to him (2 Cor. 11:14). He may have repented of this one false revelation, but it shows he is vulnerable to a lying spirit.
He now has a misguided book out about the so-called seven spirits of God. I have not purchased this book, but I heard him teach it. Here is my assessment:
The ‘Seven Spirits of God’ and American Prophets and Pastors
Stay away from this doctrine, as Reed teaches it.
Update 8/30/2024: Chris Reed resigned from Morningstar, but had an affair of his own, with one of his students, using prophecy to seduce her.
Read about it at the invaluable Roys Report: President of MorningStar Resigns, Then Admits Affair of His Own (dated Aug. 29). Here is his confession on YouTube: My Resignation at MorningStar and Then (dated 8/29/24).
People need to stay away from him. He is unsound. So many of his prophecies do not come true. He needs to leave the ministry and get his real estate license, or sell cars and maybe even get a dealership. He can still make a living.
Kat Kerr claims she can go up into heaven whenever she wants. She has seen mountains of Jello and a T-Rex Up There. The cerebral cortex, which handles human imagination, may be too active in her case; or she may have a mental illness. Or she may also be listening to lying spirits.
Ana Werner also needs to be careful. I checked out her website and the intro to her course. Being a seer by God’s gifting is one thing (it’s scriptural), but teaching people how they can daily see into heaven or see angels is too much.
Any other seer who teaches this needs to stop. They may be obeying their own imagination, not the Spirit. Let’s hope the source is not a lying spirit, when they try to force God’s gift to be exercised at will.
In Scripture angelic visitations were rare per individual prophet or other Bible characters. The visitations were not daily or on command.
This link says NT prophets ≠ OT prophets:
New Testament Restricts Authority of Modern Prophets
The so-called “Trump prophets” need to repent. Johnny Enlow said that Trump was reigning in heaven after he lost the election. There are other unrepentant Trump prophets unnamed here. (Too many).
The British Isles Council of Prophets needs to repent of their wonky interpretations of Scripture. I heard them swing and miss the few times that I have listened to them. It takes hard work to look into the Scriptures and teach it correctly.
Steve Schulz of Elijah List needs to deplatform many people. He may need to shut down his entire ministry.
One youtube discernment ministry has documented over 100 false prophecies spoken by Julie Green. She speaks as if she is an OT prophet, using their phrasing. She predicted, to cite only one example, that former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi would die before the midterm elections in 2022. She is still alive and well.
Amanda Grace predicted that Rep. Jim Jordan would become Speaker of the House, during the effort to find a replacement for Rep. McCarthy in October-November 2023 (note the timeframe). Wrong. Mike Johnson is. Did she admit she was wrong and repent or move on and pretend she did not commit this prophetic error? She has many other vague or erroneous prophecies, as if she speaks like OT prophets, using their phrasing.
However, recall this link:
New Testament Restricts Authority of Modern Prophets
No one clearly predicted the Covid attack. In January 2020, they all said that this year would be one of 20/20 perfect vision. Wrong,
But if one did predict it clearly, then he must show us the video, and be sure it is time stamped correctly. No dishonestly, please.
This is particularly true of Hank Kunneman who keeps telling us he did predict Covid. Show us the video, and it better be clear and detailed. He now appears to have an assistant or two who keep track of his prophecies, to see if they are fulfilled or not. But he has still not repented of his failed Trump prophecy. Just the opposite. He has arrogantly doubled down.
He also told a large audience to speak in tongues in unison. He claims that God told him to do this while he was in his hotel room. Other prophets and pastors do this as well. But they violate 1 Corinthians 14, which clearly says the assembly should not do this. God would not tell a prophet to do anything in violation of Scripture.
There are many other prophets not examined here. Countless numbers have popped up on youtube, like Troy Black (more about him below). Kevin Zadai and the many guests who appear on the Sid Roth Show are in need of repentance. Strange doctrines and practices.
And Mr. Roth should repent for even giving them camera time. He may be pleasant and charming, but does he have any discernment at all? To cite one example, I just saw an older program come across my social media feed, in which he said that we can know the day or hour of the Second Coming. “My next guest says ….” His guest probably had a vision or a trip up to heaven or an angelic visitation, and it was told to him when the Second Coming would happen. Or maybe it is based on the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah), which comes around on a specific day in the fall. Whatever the case, this is totally unscriptural. No one knows the day or hour (Matt. 25:13), nor even the times (chronos) or seasons (kairos) (Acts 1:7).
Repent.
Update July 18, 2024: Brandon Biggs says he predicted in March 2024 the assassination attempt on Donald Trump. Biggs saw a bullet whizz by his ear and assumed that the blood was caused by a broken eardrum. I believe he misinterpreted the image he saw. And he may have admitted it, too.
My take on Biggs, beyond the ear prophecy: he is a chatterbox, a fast talker, and his constant chattering gives him dreams at night, and his dreams provide more material to keep talking. He’s not a “Bible guy,” and this is dangerous when he has a large following on social media. I don’t know his church involvement, either. Nor his doctrine. Nor his personal fruit or character.
My advice to readers: don’t follow Biggs. He’s a Christian but unstable.
The Remnant Radio has a long video about his Trump’s ear prophecy. Copy this title and go to youtube and paste it in the search bar:
Update: (1/16/2025): Shawn Bolz has been credibly accused of data mining and acting as if he is prophesying. He has been called out.
Check out these youtube channels for the proof:
Wake Up and Win: Shawn Bolz Caught FAKING Prophecy?!? Kris Vallotton Won’t Call Him Out, IHOPKC Investigation Update
Torn Curtain: Shawn Bolz Controversy Over Faking Words of Knowledge Kris Vallotton of Bethel Knew But Kept Quiet
Minor Prophets: Shawn Bolz FAKED IT (And No One Will Say It Out Loud)
Update (2/6/2025): Begin a great series of articles by Tom Lennie, from Scotland, at the website Prophecy Today, UK.
Discerning False Prophecy: Intro & Part One
Discerning False Prophecy: Part Two
Discerning False Prophecy: Part Three
The series is mostly about Shawn Bolz, but the articles also include a critique of Emma Stark and the Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders.
I don’t believe that most of these confused prophets today are deliberately intending to deceive people, though some may be deliberately deceitful and are being deceived. This is why I cannot in good conscience call the sincere but confused prophets false, for in Scripture false prophets seem to live outside a relationship with Jesus. “‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matt. 7:23).
Matthew 7:21-23: “I Never Knew You, Depart from Me!”
Instead, the sincere ones, though sincerely wrong, are simply uninstructed and over-zealous. They need to repent and get into a mature local church, wherever they are on the CBU perspective, and rapidly move towards the left side.
However, many are very strident and unwilling to slow down. They may feel pressure to produce prophecies each week, two or three times a week. Money may pressure them.
False Prophets in Sinai Covenant and Imperfect Prophets in New Covenant: Life and Death Differences
Update 8/30/24: Jimmy Swaggart Ministries and its Media Church Members
Jimmy Swaggart fell into sexual misconduct many years ago, but this section is not about that. Instead, it is about his fund-raising deception with their recruitment of media church members to their church, Family Worship Center, in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Then on their television channel, the Swaggarts and associates ask these distant members to send in their tithe. Many people have joined from all over the country and probably the world. Never mind that no pastor located in Baton Rouge will visit the media church members in hospitals around the country, or perform the wedding ceremony for them, or build in-person relationships with them.
This is a money-making scam because it abuses the biblical definition of church, which is local and relational for individuals.
New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)
The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is not reliable or sound. Dr. C. Peter Wagner (d. 2016), a church growth consultant and missionary and professor, seemed desperate to look around for apostles, to fill out Ephesians 4:11. We must not let our own ideas run away with us. But he did. He actually appointed and laid hands on Todd Bentley to lead the NAR or some sort of apostolic dot.org or movement (whatever it is). However, Bentley has crashed and burned, irretrievably for ministry. How discerning was Dr. Wagner to appoint such an unbiblical character? Dr. Wagner was not equipped to do such a thing in the first place.
His followers need to leave this movement behind.
Check Out What Two Genuine Apostles Did and How They Lived
That link says that apostles are missionaries who plant churches in totally unevangelized regions, like Paul and Barnabas did (Acts 13-14).
Also see this post, which discusses the basic meaning of “apostle.”
Do New Testament Apostles Exist Today?
Observations on New Apostolic Reformation and Christian Nationalism
Analyzing the New Apostolic Reformation
Review of Joseph Mattera’s Book ‘The Global Apostolic Movement and the Progress of the Gospel’
Review of C. Peter Wagner’s Book ‘Churchquake’
Review of C. Peter Wagner’s Book ‘Apostles and Prophets’
Review of C. Peter Wagner’s Book ‘Apostles Today’
Pastors and Teachers
Update (4/26/2025): Michael L. Brown …..
I have moved this section to a new post:
Disturbing Allegations against Dr. Michael Brown
Update 5/16/2024 about Todd White: Since becoming a self-appointed university president, he must understand that he cannot just teach whatever God “shows” him. White does not understand theology and the Scriptures well enough. He lurches into errors. To become a teacher takes bard work, and teachers will incur stricter judgment (James 3:1). He is actually an evangelist who must keep the message simple. He needs to get back out onto the streets.
He must repent and return to his first love and the original mission. If he does not humble himself and repent, watch for more errors coming out of his ministry.
Update about White on Oct 20, 2024: Now I doubt he should even be in ministry because of video exposés on heresy hunters’ channels.
Update 5/16/2024: Michael Todd is armed with an award-winning smile, which he appears to use to get his way. He also has an extra-strong personality. However, he needs to slow down. He has become outlandish. He says he does not want to take the time to study the word. He is shown on video pouring syrup on the Bible and the communion elements. Study Scripture and teach the basics. No need to show off with wild displays.
He must repent or hand his church over to someone else, for the health of his soul and good standing at final judgment (James 3:1). If he does not humble himself and repent, watch for errors coming out of his teaching.
Kathryn Krick also needs to repent. Here’s what she needs to repent of: (1) her title apostle. She must renounce any false prophecy that told her she was an apostle. She is not one. (2) Her entanglement with a strange “pastor” or “apostle” over in Tanzania. She may have picked up a lying spirit or two. (3) Her erroneous teaching. No one needs to give more money to get more healing and deliverance. And you don’t bring bottled water to a communion service (implying that she would use water instead of the fruit of the vine).
If I can judge correctly and rightly (John 7:24), I have the impression that she is just winging it without biblical training. Who is she really? She is probably a traveling evangelist. She must find a local church who can watch over and care for her. She will need years of retraining before she’s ready to teach and preach (if ever). Pray for her.
Here’s how I know she is not an apostle:
Check Out What Two Genuine Apostles Did and How They Lived
Bethel, Bill Johnson’s church in Redding, California, are definitely CBUs, but lying spirits may have infiltrated this church and have produced strange phenomena like gold dust and now angel feathers appearing out of nowhere. Also, they come up with wonky doctrines, like Jesus needing to be born again and grave soaking / sucking. Johnson repented of this, but it still shows that he cannot teach theology or the Bible and is vulnerable to deception. His sermons (the few times I heard them) tell me he does not know how to interpret Scripture properly. He seems to be on an endless quest for novelty in his teaching of Scripture.
It’s clear (to me at least) that Pastors Bill Johnson and Kris Vallotton have little or no discernings of spirits (1 Cor. 12:10). They need to get back to following the clarity of Scripture and Jesus’s practice of ministry and the apostolic ministry, in the four Gospels and Acts. They never saw gold dust or angel feathers.
What Does ‘Greater Things’ Mean in John 14:12? (The ‘greater things’ do not include gold dust or angel feathers)
God’s Signs and Wonders versus Satan’s Signs and Wonders
Paula White, one of Trump’s pastors, is seen on video writhing on the floor and kissing her husband’s bare feet during one of her sermons, presumably to illustrate women who kissed Jesus’s feet (see, e.g., Luke 7:38, 45). But Jesus experienced real life. This was not fake or staged. The women were genuinely needy. Ms. White didn’t need to illustrate this by artificially staging it in church. Strange and sexual.
Ms. White is also seen on video expressing solidarity with a world religions conference, endorsing it. The whole scene looked very unwholesome and unbiblical. Does she know what she’s doing in such complicated matters? I say no.
Ms. White also has some allegations about sexual escapades that need more investigating, in connection with Benny Hinn and others.
In one of her videos, she is recorded as saying she may have some mental problems. Perhaps. But I believe she is being tormented by a lying spirit. When she repents, truly repents with fruit demonstrating her repentance, the evil spirit will lift off of her with the prayers of deliverance.
Katie Souza also needs to repent of her strange teachings. As of this writing on April 12, 2024, she is now teaching people how to teleport (somehow, probably mentally or in a vision). At the beginning of one of her teachings, she smiled mischievously and said something like: “I’m going to teach another strange doctrine, aren’t I?” She affected her voice as if to say that she was indeed about to do this and emphasized the word “strange.” This is an admission that she does teach strange doctrine, but she is also arrogant about it.
Souza said she had spent hours each day fasting and praying alone to understand this truth about teleportation, as if many hours of fasting and praying alone will give her supernatural insight. Not necessarily. Now she is twisting Scripture because it does not teach teleportation. Maybe she needs to spend hours studying commentaries written for the laity and great Study Bibles. Pray for her. Here are the real and biblical reasons to fast:
The Roys Report has a writeup about a Bible prophecy teacher and pastor named Jim Staley who gets mega-hits on his youtube channel:
Pastor Who’s Convicted Felon Makes Eclipse Prophecy That Goes Viral (April 7, 2024)
It’s a sure thing that his “insights” will not come true. Read the linked piece. His interpretations are farfetched and baseless and silly. (It is now past April 8, 2024. Nothing happened. The “eclipse prophets” must stop over-reading natural things.)
Here’s a better way to read apocalyptic imagery in Scripture.
Cosmic Disasters = Apocalyptic Imagery for Judgment and Major Change
Troy Brewer makes things up with numbers. Those numbers sometimes promote the “office” of prophet, that is, himself. One example is 2 Chronicles 20:20 at the start of the year 2020. This verse says to put your faith in God’s prophets. But making things up with numbers is not the gospel or clear biblical truths. He must stop. Someone in his world should intervene. Do the elders of his church have any discernment at all?
Many other leaders make things up with numbers too, most notably Perry Stone.
All of them must stop and repent and get back to the plain truths of Scripture.
Updated 4/24/2024: Robert Henderson, who teaches on portals and the courts of heaven, should stop. Those things are not clearly taught in Scripture. Just pray to your loving heavenly Father directly, without complications.
Updated 4/16/2024: John Gray, senior pastor at Relentless Church in South Carolina, has been accused of multiple cases of adultery, but the elders refuse to fire him: “Oops, John Gray Did It Again.”
Updated 4/16/2024: Mark Driscoll, pastor at The Trinity Church in Scottsdale, Arizona, still has some problems. According to the Roys Report, in his 2018 book Real Men, he condones homosexual behavior and still cusses in church. (Please read: “The Irony! Mark Driscoll ‘Matthew 18ed’ Slamming ‘Strip’ Acts at Men’s Conference.”) Driscoll may be (or may not be) a momentary hero for calling out the excess at this one men’s conference sponsored by James River Church, but from what I have observed over the years, he does not deserve permanent hero status for pointing out the excess. Too easy to be heroic. If I can judge things correctly and rightly (John 7:24), he should not be in ministry. Is it too late for him to join the military? Or become a football coach?
Update 4/16/2024: Now John Lindell, senior pastor at James River Church in Missouri, is coming under fire for allowing a male ‘strip’ act at a men’s conference. He also said that no one should touch the Lord’s anointed (or words to that effect). Please click on the previous link.
Update (4/22/2024): he has apologized.
Update (May 6, 2024): Roys Report: Former Mars Hill Elder Confronts John Lindell for Platforming Mark Driscoll.
One excerpt:
In July of 2021, the 41 former elders of Mars Hill provided a statement to warn people (like members of James River and, specifically, Trinity Church) that Mark Driscoll was repeating his behavior of the past. However, you, Jimmy Evans, and Robert Morris ignored that. To my knowledge, the three of you men never reached out to any former elders of Mars Hill, which allowed Mark to use you and your platform to continue to build a church and a ministry that has hurt people.
Mark Driscoll should not be in ministry.
Update 5/12/2024: Robert Morris and others like him. I forgot to include the ones who teach the law of tithing 10% off gross pay. New Covenant believers are not required to tithe 10% off gross pay.
Why Tithing Does Not Apply to New Covenant Believers
Does Hebrews 7:1-10 Teach Church Policy of Tithing?
Here is what the New Covenant Scriptures (New Testament) requires of believers:
Generosity in the New Testament
Tithe teachers should stop oppressing God’s people with this OT theocratic tax on top of all their other civil taxes they pay today.
Update 6/18/2024: Now a report has come out that says when Morris was in his early twenties (early to mid-1980s), and married, and had a small child, he molested a twelve-year-old girl, for four years. I had written two paragraphs about it, raking him over the coals, but have since deleted them. I don’t want to keep track of the story, for this section is on hyper-prosperous tithe teachers. He has resigned, which he should have done. He should never return to ministry either.
Morris may get “lucky.” He probably won’t go to prison, depending on the statute of limitations for child molestation in Oklahoma.
Update (1/5/2025): Robert Morris joined YouTube on November 4, 2024, calling himself “Pastor.” So far his comments section is open. I wonder how long it will take before he closes it?
Here’s his channel link. Robert Morris
You can do with it what you will. But this man committed a crime with a minor for four years, not a one-off adulterous affair, 40 years ago. He’s disqualified from ministry. He needs to get his real estate license or sell cars.
Update: March 17, 2025:
BREAKING: Robert Morris Surrenders to Authorities in Oklahoma on Child Sex Charges
Finally! Justice is in process. May God’s will be done.
Excuse: But what about King David? He committed adultery and orchestrated a murder. Yet God forgave and restored him.
Reply: God had a special covenant with David. David was the king of a nation. Criminal pastors ≠ King David. They are not kings of an entire nation. The pastoral epistles guide us in church management and discipline, not David’s life (nor the life of Moses).
Word of Hyper-Faith, Hyper-Prosperity, and Hyper-Grace
Let’s bundle these erroneous teachers together. Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Jerry Savelle (update: Savelle died April 15, 2024), Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, Andrew Wommack, Joseph Prince, (and others unnamed here) are in serious doctrinal error and strange practices.
No, they cannot duplicate what God did when he spoke the universe into existence (Gen. 1). Their words do not create worlds. No, faith is not an impersonal force. No, God does not have to obey the words of hyper-faith decrees. “I decree that I shall be a billionaire by next month!” Does God stand up from his throne, salute the puny human, and say, “Yes, sir! You too are the I Am! I must obey you!”? No, we are not the “I Am.” We are only human. You surrender all to him, not the other way around. Stay in your human lane!
No, not all people get healed, and when they do not, it is not only because of their lack of faith or they did not confess the right words exactly as they should have. Terrible pressure and condemnation on people!
Kenneth Copeland Gets a Pacemaker
No, we should not ignore the law of Moses, particularly moral law.
Yes, prosperity is biblical for those who have a legitimate business. (Just type in the word prosper at biblegateway.com, and you will get numerous hits.) But the hyper-prosperity teachers have twisted Scripture and made false promises to listeners. “Send me your money! God will enrich you too!” But all the men who wrote the New Testament never got rich from their own writings. Paul traveled on cargo ships or went on foot. He never took an offering to buy a private ship or even a horse (a luxury item).
Apostle Paul Traveled on Cargo Ships
These hyper-rich leaders must sell their gigantic house or houses, sell their luxury items, downsize, repent of their Scripture twisting, and live modestly. Judgment is coming.
This next passage teaches that the message must be approved of God because the gospel has been entrusted by God. It is a privilege to preach it. God is testing the hearts of many leaders today on TV and radio and their own online channels. Do they put on masks to cover up greed? Do they look for the praise of people? Do they throw around their (false) apostolic weight?
4 On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts. 5 You know we never used flattery, nor did we put on a mask to cover up greed—God is our witness. 6 We were not looking for praise from people, not from you or anyone else, even though as apostles of Christ we could have asserted our authority. (1 Thess. 2:4-6)
In the last verse Paul was an apostle because he was a missionary who planted the church at Thessalonica, which had been an unevangelized city. But he did not assert his apostolic authority to dominate this church. This is the humility of a genuine apostle.
Update 4/15/2024: Rodney Howard Browne goes overboard in coaxing people with uncontrollable laughter. ‘Ha, ha, ha!” he says, walking through the audience, ginning them up to laugh uncontrollably and rolling on the floor. The last I saw, his wife goes up on stage and apparently is so overwhelmed by the Spirit that she cannot think or speak clearly. Does the Spirit cause confusion in any NT community? No. (See 1 Cor. 14:33.) How is she off the platform? I wonder.
Nowadays, since the charismatic church has become excessive, we need to stick close to the ministry of Jesus in the four Gospels and the apostolic community in the book of Acts and epistles. I see joy in those books (it’s a fruit of the Spirit, for example). I see a man leaping for joy after being miraculously healed of lameness (Acts 3:8). But I don’t see uncontrollable laughter, with rolling on the floor.
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Benny Hinn
He needs a special category all his own. He has been around a long time and has brought disrepute on the Renewal Movements. His mind seems confused, shifting around from one thought to the next. He has no stable core in his soul. Obviously he confuses his imagination with God’s thoughts. (Sometimes I may perceive a demon tormenting him.)
Hinn’s out-of-order ministry style (e.g. pushing people and waving his jacket around), his fund-raising tactics, his bad Bible interpretations, his false teachings and prophecies, and his exaggerations–all need to be repented of. Then the demon which may be tormenting him will flee. Actually, he needs to shut down his ministry and sell his luxury items and live in a modest house. He must retire and repent of his ways and trust that God will have mercy on him at final judgment.
Mike Winger, an irenic charismatic Bible teacher, has produced a four-hour video in April 2024. Go to youtube and type in Mike Winger Benny Hinn in the search bar. Or go to his channel and scroll down until you find it in the videos section.
Update 5/17/2024: Hinn has apologized on May 7, 2024 on the Strang Report, and part two was posted on May 14, 2024.
Update May 18, 2024: On May 17, 2024, Mike Winger appeared on the Charisma Media channel, explaining how Hinn was not sincere in his repentance.
Update 5/24/ 2024: Hinn says he did not give a false prophecy about peace in the Middle East just before the Hamas-Israel war. On May 21, 2024 Winger produced a video to rebut the claim. It was a prophecy and it was false. And worse, Hinn used it to raise funds. When there is peace in the Middle East (don’t you know that Israel is the key to everything–not the church–Israel!) … When there is peace in the Middle East, revival across America and the world will happen, And if people give to Hinn’s ministry anticipating revival, their children and other loved ones will be saved when revival fully hits the globe. Give now!
Hinn has no center or anchor in his soul. His mind darts around all over the place. I now say it is being influenced by a deceiving spirit, so he can’t distinguish between his own thoughts, God’s thoughts, and a demonic influence.
Pray for him that he will truly repent and surrender everything to God. Then the demonic influence can be broken, and he will find stability in his soul.
The Demon Slayers
Greg Locke (not an apostle), Alex Pagani (not an apostle), Mike Signorelli, Isaiah Saldivar, David Diga Hernandez, Vlad Savchuk must stop taking their inspiration from Benny Hinn. None of them are apostles
No human can slay demons. Only God can. No doubt the “slayers” got this name from a character in anime or on TV or a video game. With this name, they are dabbling in heavenly, spiritual jurisdictions they have no business getting involved in (Jude 9). Arrogance.
If there really are demonized people or witches in Greg Locke’s church services, then he must help them, not shriek at them to go. Preach the good news to them! Has the love of God penetrated his heart?
Update 5/20/2024: Recently Locke was ordained as an apostle. He is not one, as seen at this link:
Check Out What Two Genuine Apostles Did and How They Lived
Update: 9/7/ 2024: On September 4, 2024, Locke’s house was shot at by a drive-by shooter. No one was hurt.
The “slayers” are turning the work of God into a clown show at their meetings.
Watch for all sorts of errors emerging from this group. Lying spirits may be infiltrating their ministries, even though they claim to expel them. Can they spot them in their own minds?
If Hernandez is not part of this group, then he still must stop with his platform super-star demeanor. He’s not the only one with the gifts of healings. He needs to raise up a team who can receive the gifts of the Spirit, just as he does or better than he does.
Daniel Adams is not part of the “slayers,” but he ministers just like them. Way out of balance. He’s a show off, using people for his own glory. “Look how powerful I am!” he seems to communicate to his audience.
I have seen very arrogant displays on youtube videos at the expense of oppressed people. They are not the platform performers’ stepping stones or stage props towards greatness. The needy people are made in the image of God and deserve our honor and respect. All of the preacher-performers must stop treating people as if they are the performers’ trophies and using them to show off. True ministry is not about a platform performance.
No more Katherine Kuhlmans or Ralph Wilkersons or Benny Hinns, please. Those days are gone. Don’t bring them back.
ARROGANCE (in all capitals)
Repent.
God’s Generals or Generals International
This is an inflated title. There is no such thing as a “general” in Scripture as a ministry title in the church. Self-promotion on this level is unbecoming. Arrogance. If someone told me I was a general in God’s kingdom, I would feel embarrassed to accept the title. No. I stick with Scripture! Honestly!
Repent.
Cindy Jacobs, one of God’s “generals,” was on Maui predicting that properties would improve and prices rise; everything was going to be fine and dandy and prosperous–before the Maui fire destroyed everything. She was wrong. Badly wrong. Has General Jacobs publicly repented or moved on, as if this false prophecy never happened?
Chuck Pierce has also delivered vague words that have sometimes proven false–even vague ones! The Remnant Radio on youtube has videos on many failed prophecies, including those of Chuck Pierce. Search out the channel.
Do these failed prophets have no shame? No sense of embarrassment? I wonder how much money comes in to their ministry so they feel pressure to keep prophesying. Is it $40k+ per month?
Repent.
Mike Bickle and IHOPKC
This is the worst scandal I personally have ever heard of. Growing allegations say that he used prophecy as a weapon to manipulate single, young women to have sex with him. (“The Lord spoke to me that my wife is going to die soon, and then he spoke to me that you and I are to get married,” or words to that effect). Reports are coming out now that there may be up to twenty women, over the course of his prophetic ministry of receiving dreams and visions. He deployed the same “pickup line” on some of them too. Wow.
If even a fraction of the allegations prove true, either in the court of public opinion or in a court of law, then this man can never return to ministry. He is perhaps mentally unwell. (He may have a drinking problem, one accuser says. He called her from overseas and sounded drunk.) His son Luke Bickle is also disqualified, if the allegations prove true.
It is now clear that Bickle’s so-called “Prophetic History” about IHOPKC that exalted himself was either invented out his own mind or came from a lying spirit. If he was an alcoholic, then he was vulnerable to his own hallucinations or a lying spirit or a toxic mixture or both. How can anyone still believe that he rode in a chariot guided by Gabriel to a heavenly realm? He never had a real conversation with Michael the archangel. Funny how this vision or visions ended up promoting Bickle himself.
The fact that he even got a vision like this tells me that this (supposed) encounter was very profitable for him. Have you ever rode in a chariot led by Gabriel recently or at all? Ever had a convo with Michael? If so, will you raise money from your meeting and exalt yourself, on social media?
If I can judge righteously or correctly (John 7:24), it is now clear (to me at least) that he has been manipulating people’s devotion to God and to prayer and intercession–enough for them to give up material comforts and join the prayer movement–and redirecting their deep belief towards himself.
Rick Joyner or anyone else must not restore him to ministry. Relationship with God and to fellowship, yes, but not ministry. The two Bickles are done if the allegations prove true. Evidently Joyner does not recall how disastrous it was when he restored Todd Bentley, the out-of-control Canadian “prophet.”
Galatians 6:1 is about restoration to a relationship with God and to fellowship in the church for “anyone.” It is not about a leader’s restoration back to leadership, certainly not a fallen leader on Mike Bickle’s degraded level (if the allegations prove true). Don’t take the verse out of context. First Timothy 5:20 is about restoring elders who sin and must be reproved publicly, but I say Bickle can never return to ministry, due to the years-long, and unconfessed abuses. He never did seek help and is stuill not seeking help, as I see things.
Update: February 3, 2025: After an extensive investigation, here is the headlines from the heroic Roys Report:
IHOPKC Founder Mike Bickle Sexually Abused 17 Women, Investigation Finds (the report has a link to the investigations)
Update: March 4, 2025: This report from the Roys Report says Mike Bickle can return to “informal ministry” but the recommendation does not clarify what it is. This man has been proven to be a serial predator. Yet, “informal ministry”? No, sorry.
Pastoral Team Recommends IHOPKC Founder Mike Bickle Be Banned from ‘Public’ But Not ‘Informal’ Ministry (there is a link to the original recommendation report)
If you see Mike or his son Luke behind the pulpit in the future, you must flee from them (and Todd Bentley), as fast as you can. Run!
T. D. Jakes
If the allegations about him prove true, he too is finished for ministry. The allegations say that he has done terrible, sexual things over a long time with younger men. He can be restored in his relationship with God and church attendance, but ministry leadership? No, if the allegations prove true. Done. Over. (Not that his devoted followers will think this, however!)
Quick Summary Assessment
I hope that the body of Christ will stop confusing a strong personality with the anointing of God. Just because a man talks fast and seems fearless as he is on the platform delivering a wonky teaching or engaging in a strange ministry practice does not mean he is anointed.
Strong personality + fast talking ≠ Anointing
One common thread is their search for novelty in their teaching. They don’t stay on the well-trodden paths of the clear teaching of Scripture and theology–yes, theology.
Let’s hope the above-named leaders will not abandon their faith completely and drift rightward on the CBU spectrum and thus fulfill the sad truth of this verse:
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. (1 Tim. 4:1, emphasis added)
These leaders mix much error with the truth. When they say “Jesus is Lord”: truth (Kenneth Copeland ends each broadcast with this profession). When they exhibit strange displays and practices and teach bad doctrines: error. It gets exhausting sorting out the errors from the truth.
Is there still hope for them at final judgment, if they repent, immediately? Or have they moved irredeemably to the right side of the CBU spectrum? I hope they can repent and have not moved to the right beyond recovery. But I cannot know, in the final analysis, because their stories have not yet been completed. (Nor can the heresy hunters know this.)
Pray for these at-risk leaders. Even though they come across as unteachable and defiant and arrogant, pray that God will change their hearts to become correctable and gentle and humble and teachable.
In the meantime, stop sending them money and viewing or listening to them on social media and TV and radio. Dry up or diminish their influence, in that way.
Signs of Repentance
JonMark Baker (of the Minor Prophets Podcast) said of these various failures: “it’s sad, but not devastating.” So true. God can raise up a new generation of leaders.
Everyone must live a repentant life and demonstrate this by bringing forth fruit or deeds corresponding to repentance (Matt. 3:8; Luke 3:8; Acts 26:30).
The following points are for those who have not sinned irretrievably for ministry, but are drifting in that direction. They can stop the drift and go leftward on the CBU scale, if they follow these points.
1. The first sign is humility and willingness to be taught and corrected.
However, mega-leaders today are arrogant; they don’t seem to believe that they need or even want correction. But as noted above, here’s what God does to arrogant and humble people:
5 […] All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because,
“God opposes the proud
but shows favor to the humble.” [Prov. 3:34]
6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. (1 Peter 5:5b-6)
The American church, particularly the charismatic variety, sits under God’s judgment due to arrogance. Yes, individual churches may be doing things right and are not arrogant, but generally the American church is not doing things right and is arrogant.
American cultural arrogance has crept into the church.
In these simple diagrams, the arrow means “leads to” or “produces”:
Arrogance → Errors in doctrine and ministry practice
Errors in doctrine and ministry practice opens the door to God’s judgment, and his judgment opens the door to lying spirits.
Errors in doctrine and ministry practice → Lying spirits
In fact, lying spirits may have infiltrated their ministry from the very beginning. Whatever the case, repentance and humility will diminish their influence.
2. All disciples, particularly those named leaders, must live the crucified life.
23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. (Luke 9:23)
We are to die daily.
Paul connects life in the Spirit with the crucified life:
24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. (Gal. 5:24-25)
I believe that many leaders speak out of their own desires and passions, similar to the “prophets” in the OT who spoke out of their own minds and imaginations (Jer. 23, Ezek. 13). The modern prophets and other leaders may desire and be passionate for money and fame. The solution is to crucify those inner drives. Then the Spirit can work, and the mistakes will diminish.
3. In their Scripture teaching (if they even teach Scripture), they must keep the plain things the main things.
Scriptural themes like salvation, (balanced) grace, the gospel, redemption, reconciliation, regeneration, the kingdom of God, and holiness (and so on) may be boring to hyper-charismatics and untethered prophets, but teaching the main themes can restore these leaders to God’s favor. Or they can teach through a book of the Bible, with the help of Study Bibles and commentaries for the laity.
Satan will loosen his stranglehold on them when they stop deceiving themselves with strange ministry practices and doctrines and novel, out-of-the-way interpretations of Scripture. Satan twisted Scripture; Jesus defeated him by interpreting it truthfully and correctly.
The Christian community in Acts focused on healing and deliverance and prayed for two resurrections. No wild displays. No shrieking and freaking and dancing and prancing. No showing off. No pushing people. No “give 1000.00 drachmas or shekels to me, and God will enrich you, just like I am now hyper-rich, due to your offerings!” They never said that if people give more money, the people will get more anointing from the man or woman of God, for healing and deliverance. Yes, they had financial support (e.g. Luke 8:1-2; Phil. 4:10-19), but they did not manipulate people, as the in-peril leaders do today. They should repent of their foolishness and follow the original Jesus community in the Gospels and the apostolic example in Acts and the epistles. Focus on healing and deliverance, as they did. Then they can come out from under God’s judgment, and the demonic infiltration can be discerned and resisted and diminish.
Imagine how mature the church would become if we all agreed to focus on the plain truths of Scripture! Then, as pastor Jack Hayford (d. 2023) said long ago: “Healthy sheep reproduce.” We might be able to win the whole world (or at least preach the gospel to it) and so hasten the return of the Lord. Imagine that!
They must return to the plain things and main things of Scripture
Sometimes outlandish ministry practices are (wrongly) defended because Jesus healed by saliva and mud. But he did this only three times and in private. He got into their thought world. Here are my further thoughts on this unusual method:
Jesus Heals Blind Man in Unusual Way and in Two Stages
Deaf and Mute Man Healed in Unusual Way
Jesus Heals Man Born Blind by Unusual Method
4. They must follow the biblical exhortation to conduct their services with order and decorum.
32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people. (1 Cor. 14:32-33)
40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way. (1 Cor. 14:40)
Everything. Not some things.
Some people may wish to escape from those three verses by asking what disorder, peace, fitting, and orderly are. How can anyone really know what disorder is? One man’s disorder is another man’s order. Order / disorder is in the eye of the viewer.
Reply: the Corinthian Christians were a wild group in the gifts of the Spirit. I may not be able to draw the line with precision between order and disorder, but the above-named modern leaders have gotten far out of line, towards disorder. They need to go leftward on the CBU spectrum.
5. Woe to the church that is led by a prophet!
The pastoral epistles, 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus, are long job descriptions of who the leaders of a church are, and how a church operates. Elders lead. When Paul and Barnabas planted churches on their first missionary journey (Acts 13-14), they appointed elders (14:23). Paul appointed elders in the thriving and large church in Ephesus (Acts 20:13-38). Overseers (= elders) and deacons governed (that is, served) the church at Philippi (Phil. 1:1). Paul commissioned Titus to complete what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town on Crete (Titus 1:5-9). It is safe to assume that Paul appointed elders in every church he planted in places other than Crete. He commissioned Timothy to do the same in Ephesus, including male and female deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13).
There is not one verse that says a prophet should be the head leader of the local church.
If the prophet leads the church as the main leader, then he is out of order. He can help the church with his gift. A teaching pastor may even be gifted prophetically, but he must not let his prophecies be the main guide. The word is. A prophet who is not a teaching pastor or elder should not be the main leader.
Gifts of the Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 and 12:28
What 1 Corinthians 14 Really Teaches
As to why the word “elder” is not mentioned in the two surviving letters to the Corinthians, go to this link and scroll down to Point 23:
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5. Social platform prophets and other online leaders should stay connected to a local church and tell us which one it is.
One name stands out: Troy Black. I checked out his website, and I cannot find which church he goes to. In one video he called himself “some random guy.” He is disconnected. This is dangerous. He has a long list of patreon supporters, however, so maybe this is good enough for him. Money.
I wonder why social media prophets can’t prophesy within the safety and confines of their local church, where they can be watched over and cared for, and not on youtube. Nine-tenths (or more) of youtube prophets must shut down their channels immediately, and go back to their local church and prophesy only there. But their growing list of patreon supporters make things difficult to voluntarily restrict themselves. Money.
6. All of these leaders named above are making themselves vulnerable to a severer judgment, the larger their audience.
The following verse is about teachers, but I believe it can encompass anyone who stands up on a platform and shares things with the body of Christ. At that moment they are functioning as teachers.
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. (James 3:1)
Repent!
Fair warning!
I write to learn, so what did I learn? I learned that this post was difficult for me, because it rebukes so many leaders by name. But I had to obey God. Obedience brings joy and even relief. I’m glad I wrote this post, but I am also glad it’s over with, except for updates.
Update 5/18/2024: After studying and mulling over my post for a month (I originally posted it on April 12, 2024), I can now honestly and unambiguously say that I’m glad God called me to write it. I now see its value, as each day passes. I no longer have second thoughts.
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Hi do you have a link to Amanda grace “prophesying”/ predicted that Rep. Jim Jordan would become Speaker of the House, during the effort to find a replacement for Rep. McCarthy in October-November 2023. Need proof for friend who listens to her. Thanks!
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One of the heresy hunters found it. His last name is Bloom (don’t recall his first name; I now recall: Drew Bloom34). He catalogs many of them from many prophets. I’m sure you could find it in an old fashioned google search with the key words. He may have large sections of videos on Amanda Grace. I just searched Drew Bloom and Amanda Grace on YouTube and got all sorts of hits.
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